223 With a 55 Gr CB w/ GC Load

Daxione · 10-29-2009, 04:00 AM

Greetings All Wise ones:

I recently purchased a Howa M1500 Varminter with a heavy barrel. I am looking for a noce group shooting load with a 55 grain cast lead bullet that is sized 0.224 with a gas check applied.

Many years ago, I had a load for another gun, 19.8 grains of what my father called military ball powder. That load was sweet, 1.0-1.5" groups at 100 yards, everytime. Unfortunately, our powder supply dried up and I do not know the commercial equivalent.

Anyway, back to the subject, does anyone have a really nice shooting 223 load for this bullet, it is a Lyman 225462 (?).

Thanks,
Dave

Wally · 10-29-2009, 06:44 AM

In my Rem 700 .223 I use the RCBS .22 Cal bullet with a GC...I use 8.0 grains of Unique to obtain 2,100 MV...it is quite accurate and I can consitently hit a 3" plate at 250 yards if the wind is light, with it. Also have a .22-250 Rem 700 Varmintmaster---using eth same bullet I get a wee bit more accuracy, probably due to the thick target barrel.

Bullshop · 10-29-2009, 08:59 AM

I have some milsurp powder I got from Jef Bartlet at GI brass a number of years ago.
The bottles are marked 30/06 ball. Later this powder became WC-852 I believe.
The commercial equivalent is without doubt H-450.
Wc 852 and H-450 are slow enough that you could not over charge a 223 case with any bullet/boolit weight. It would be a very gentle push on a boolit which is good. It may leave some unburned powder in the bore but that may not necessarily be bad.
BIC/BS

Calamity Jake · 10-29-2009, 09:40 AM

My cast AR load is Rcbs 22-055(very close to your Lyman) and 17.5 AA 2015.
I also have them same Lyman but my AR doesn't like it.

Daxione · 10-29-2009, 11:20 AM

Thanks guys, I have some starting points now. I am a fan of 2400 powder, use it in the 30-30, 30-06, 357 mag and my 3" 410 shells. Was hoping someone might know something with this powder as well.

ChuckS1 · 10-29-2009, 03:18 PM

What twist is your barrel?

joejr · 10-29-2009, 03:54 PM

my cast ar load is rcbs 22-55 fp 21 grains of imr 4064 1 in 9" twist

JIMinPHX · 10-29-2009, 04:35 PM

10 grains of 2400 has been working well for me.

You should really try to look up these three threads -
http://www.castpics.net/memberarticl...the%20.223.htm
http://www.castpics.net/memberarticl...0Part%20II.htm
http://www.castpics.net/memberarticl...Part%20III.htm

Daxione · 10-30-2009, 01:34 PM

ChuckS1: The Howa has a 1 in 12 twist

joejr: IMR 4064, I do not have that powder, but I will write it down for my AR as well. Any cycling problems?

JIMinPHX: I tried 8, 9 and 10.7 grs 2400, best group I could do was 8" at 100 yards. Horrible at best in my opinion. Ironically, I gave some of the 10.7 grain loads to my father to shoot from his Sako, and they shot a 3" group at 100 yards. Go figure. ---> Good article too, thanks

Dave

PS: With Factory Remington 55gr FMJ, the group is about 1.5" @ 100 yds, so I know the gun will do it, I just need to find the right stuff to do it with.

joejr · 10-30-2009, 03:41 PM

daxione, they all land about 10' away in a 5' circle.i lube with liquid Xlox,install gas checks and size to .225". i then lube with jpw, let them dry a couple days and load. minute of apple.
joejr

Daxione · 11-03-2009, 05:38 PM

joejr:

Thanks, I have a Bushmaster that needs to be fed regularly.

10-29-2009, 04:00 AM	#1
Daxione Boolit Mold Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 6	223 With a 55 Gr CB w/ GC Load Greetings All Wise ones: I recently purchased a Howa M1500 Varminter with a heavy barrel. I am looking for a noce group shooting load with a 55 grain cast lead bullet that is sized 0.224 with a gas check applied. Many years ago, I had a load for another gun, 19.8 grains of what my father called military ball powder. That load was sweet, 1.0-1.5" groups at 100 yards, everytime. Unfortunately, our powder supply dried up and I do not know the commercial equivalent. Anyway, back to the subject, does anyone have a really nice shooting 223 load for this bullet, it is a Lyman 225462 (?). Thanks, Dave

10-29-2009, 08:59 AM	#3
Bullshop Vendor Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Alaska Posts: 3,302	I have some milsurp powder I got from Jef Bartlet at GI brass a number of years ago. The bottles are marked 30/06 ball. Later this powder became WC-852 I believe. The commercial equivalent is without doubt H-450. Wc 852 and H-450 are slow enough that you could not over charge a 223 case with any bullet/boolit weight. It would be a very gentle push on a boolit which is good. It may leave some unburned powder in the bore but that may not necessarily be bad. BIC/BS __________________ JC Sales Rep. http://bullshop.gunloads.com/

10-29-2009, 09:40 AM	#4
Calamity Jake Boolit Master Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Okla. City Posts: 1,300	My cast AR load is Rcbs 22-055(very close to your Lyman) and 17.5 AA 2015. I also have them same Lyman but my AR doesn't like it. __________________ Calamity Jake NRA Life Member SASS 15704 Shoot straight, keepem in the ten ring.

10-29-2009, 04:35 PM	#8
JIMinPHX Vendor Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 4,229	10 grains of 2400 has been working well for me. You should really try to look up these three threads - http://www.castpics.net/memberarticl...the%20.223.htm http://www.castpics.net/memberarticl...0Part%20II.htm http://www.castpics.net/memberarticl...Part%20III.htm __________________ “an armed society is a polite society.” Robert A. Heinlein

10-30-2009, 01:34 PM	#9
Daxione Boolit Mold Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 6	ChuckS1: The Howa has a 1 in 12 twist joejr: IMR 4064, I do not have that powder, but I will write it down for my AR as well. Any cycling problems? JIMinPHX: I tried 8, 9 and 10.7 grs 2400, best group I could do was 8" at 100 yards. Horrible at best in my opinion. Ironically, I gave some of the 10.7 grain loads to my father to shoot from his Sako, and they shot a 3" group at 100 yards. Go figure. ---> Good article too, thanks Dave PS: With Factory Remington 55gr FMJ, the group is about 1.5" @ 100 yds, so I know the gun will do it, I just need to find the right stuff to do it with. Last edited by Daxione; 10-30-2009 at 01:59 PM.

10-29-2009, 06:44 AM	#2
Wally Boolit Master Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Ilinois Posts: 590	In my Rem 700 .223 I use the RCBS .22 Cal bullet with a GC...I use 8.0 grains of Unique to obtain 2,100 MV...it is quite accurate and I can consitently hit a 3" plate at 250 yards if the wind is light, with it. Also have a .22-250 Rem 700 Varmintmaster---using eth same bullet I get a wee bit more accuracy, probably due to the thick target barrel.

10-29-2009, 11:20 AM	#5
Daxione Boolit Mold Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 6	Thanks guys, I have some starting points now. I am a fan of 2400 powder, use it in the 30-30, 30-06, 357 mag and my 3" 410 shells. Was hoping someone might know something with this powder as well.

10-29-2009, 03:18 PM	#6
ChuckS1 Boolit Master Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 184	What twist is your barrel?

10-29-2009, 03:54 PM	#7
joejr Boolit Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: mooshead lake maine Posts: 76	my cast ar load is rcbs 22-55 fp 21 grains of imr 4064 1 in 9" twist

10-30-2009, 03:41 PM	#10
joejr Boolit Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: mooshead lake maine Posts: 76	daxione, they all land about 10' away in a 5' circle.i lube with liquid Xlox,install gas checks and size to .225". i then lube with jpw, let them dry a couple days and load. minute of apple. joejr

11-03-2009, 05:38 PM	#11
Daxione Boolit Mold Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 6	joejr: Thanks, I have a Bushmaster that needs to be fed regularly.