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Thread: Any interest is a 454190 6 cavity from LEE?

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    Any interest is a 454190 6 cavity from LEE?

    There has been some discussion on the original 45 colt bullet and the Lyman 454190 in another thread. I’m interested in a group buy 6 cavity LEE mold for this bullet. Please see the thread http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/...ad.php?t=29012 for more details.

    Tom Myers has offered to supply drawings for this bullet and has some very minute changes over the Lyman. I’m interested in Tom’s bullet as drawn. There are other fine boollits out there with wider metplates if that’s what you are after.

    I would like to shoot for 50 molds and keep the cost down. I’m also thinking about a free mold to the designer and maybe one mold to be sold in the site benefit auction.

    I would like to honcho this my self If I could get some help from another member that has honchoed before.

    Some information on the bullet from Tom Myers

    For as long as I knew him, a very good friend of mine, John Wesley Cusey, now deceased, carried a 5 1/2 in bbl Colt 45 from the time he got up in the morning until he went to bed at night. Every day he would shoot at least a cylinder full of rounds loaded with the 454190 bullet. He also loved to cast bullets. At the age of 82 he slipped and fell on a patch of ice and died from the fall. At the time of his death, he had approximately 27,000 454190 bullets lubed and stored in 1 lb coffee cans.

    Several years before he died Wes asked me to hone out the bore ride portions of the ancient Lyman 2 cavity mold that he used for casting as they dropped from the mold at 0.454 on the bands and 0.450 on the bore ride portion.

    It was a slow process to open just the bore riding portion out the additional 0.004", but once the job was finished, it transformed a bullet with mediocre accuracy into a real tack driver from both Wes's Colt and my Uberti Colt Clone.

    This improvement in accuracy was evident for both smokeless and black powder loads. Wes shot smokeless and I shot the holy black. One time, I had 100 rounds lubed with homemade Emmert's lube and loaded with 30 gr. of Goex FFG with some corn meal filler on top that I wanted to shoot up and reload the cases. I shot all 100 rounds as fast as I could, reloading and firing until the pistol was so hot I needed gloves to load and fire. The pistol was not any more fouled at the end of 100 rounds than it was after 12 rounds and I could not perceive any deterioration in the accuracy.

    I only have about a half can of those bullet left as all of Wes's stash and the mold was destroyed in a fire a couple of years ago.

    It sure would be great if a 6 cavity mold was available to reproduce a bullet with the same dimensions that shot so well in our pistols.

    This is a sketch with measurement values from a sample of the bullets I have left.

    Tom Myers
    Also from Tom,

    It would be very pleased to supply a design sketch for a bullet of that design. I would be a fitting tribute to my old friend John, a truly dedicated sportsman and gentleman of the old school.

    Hopefully this will fly as those bullets are absolutely the most accurate ( even at long range ) that I have ever used in the Colt pistols I have shot. Wes Cusey's Son and Son-in-law owned lever guns chambered for the 45 Colt and both found that the modified 454190 could be seated deep enough to lightly engrave the lands and was more accurate than the smaller nosed original bullet.
    Please note that the drawing has been updated with the older square lube groves.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Lyman_Mold_454190-J_W_Cusey-Rev_255_gr_Sketch~Bullet.jpg  
    Last edited by opentop; 01-28-2009 at 01:55 AM. Reason: updated drawing
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    I would likely get in on this. It might take a long time though to get 50 buyers.

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    opentop, this one has run in the recent past:
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...t=lyman+454190

    Looks like it was a popular design, you might contact some of those who got one and see how they liked it.
    lathesmith

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    I would also like to get a multi-cavity mold in the design posted by Tom Meyers. I am going to pass on a Lee 6 Cavity.

    I have a Single and a Double cavity set of lyman blocks that throw the older, larger version of this bullet (.456). Sometime in the next couple of years I would like to find someone to cut me a 4 cavity version, along the lines of Tom's drawing, in iron blocks.

    -ktw

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    If I remember right, dealers could get a discout on orders over 50 molds. I just looked on thier web site and thats been changed to 100, so 25 molds might be the new target.
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    opentop,

    I read that post from Tom when he posted too. Very interesting. Nice looking boolit.

    I would be happy to help you if I can. I have honched a dozen or more GBs. If you would like to PM me I will answer any questions I can and make suggestions to help.

    ktw,

    If you would like to sell that single cavity mould I would like to purchase it.



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    I'd like to get one if the top groove was turned into a crimp groove.

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    Opentop, I would be in for 2 or 3

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    I'm interested, Lee or anyone else.

    Could be useful in my .455 Webley.


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    hey lathesmith, I took a look at that thread and that one had some modifications to it. This one is for an original looking bullet.
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    I would be interested in one if you stick to the original design. 4-6 cavity would be fine with me.

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    opentop, there is usually good interest in variations of popular 45 slugs if you find the right "niche". Sounds like yours is just different enough to possibly generate substantial interest. Heck, I might even be interested in one myself....
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    I would like one if it had the original larger square bottom lube grooves, like the pic on the left. Otherwise I can just buy another one from Lyman. A tad deeper than the original would be even better.
    Last edited by Springfield; 08-08-2012 at 11:14 PM.

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    With Lee's timeframe now how about Old West or someone else for this one. A little extra money but we should get what we ordered with less chance of Lee's sometimes missing or changing dimensions.

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    I'd be in for a 6 cavity.

    I like the square lube grooves too, but round are okay if thats what it is.

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    I wouldn't be opposed to the original larger square bottom lube grooves. It would accomidate more lube for black powder shooters.
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    Ditto on the square lube grooves, mo is bedda!

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    The last group buy that lathesmith provided the link for, was terrible. The boolit was grossly oversize. It came in at .463 if IRC correctly. I use it for plinkers in the 45-70...Ray
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    I would prefer a 6 cavity LEE but I would be in for a 3 cavity Old West mould ,too. Been wanting to try them out anyway.

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    I would be interested in one, but would prefer a crimp groove and nothing larger than .455" as I would size it down to .453" for my Ruger.
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