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    Which primers for .357/44 Bain & Davis?

    After 18 month of searching I FINALLY found a reamer so I can complete my B&D project.

    Should I use regular LP primers or would magnum primers be better?
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    I would say that neck tension for you is going to be the defining issue. There just isn't much on that case design.

    Will your dies produce it? Does your brass hold it. If so, then standard primers will take you farther down the burn rate chain than you might believe.

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    Say it easy Bass!
    Mag primers are way too much.

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    Your powder choice will dictate primer choice. It all depends on the load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anachronism View Post
    Your powder choice will dictate primer choice. It all depends on the load.
    It depends more on case size, not the powder.

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    A friend of mine built such a gun in the very early 70's while I was working in a gun store. Forming up the brass was the big job as that is necking a 44 mag down to a 38 bullet . I think that it would be the same as any other cartridge and that is match the powder to what primer is needed. I like using the current Winchester LP as it will work in any of the powders used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun shooter View Post
    Forming up the brass was the big job as that is necking a 44 mag down to a 38 bullet .
    The reason this was my first wildcat was that it is so easy to form. Lube, run it through the die, done.

    Looking at my notes, I used either LP or Magnum LP based either on the powder or data I obtained somewhere.
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    The loads will be full house - and then some

    To be honest the gun is to serve one purpose only: To give me as much recoil and muzzle blast as possible!! Danish law prohibits me from owning anything larger than caliber .38, and when you're a sucker for big guns and big bang, the Bain & Davis is about as good as it gets.

    So, Magnum primers it is. I recon the loads will be somewhere between 20 and 25gr depending on bullet weight. So a LP magnum must suffice, right?
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    I would start with regular primers. The pressure will rise much quicker in the 38 bore than for a 44 bore and should completely eliminate the need for a longer spark. ... felix
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    a regular primer will fill that case full of spark.
    components are probably not easy to come by where you are.
    if you can get winchesters i'd just stick with them. if it's federal,cci,wolf,norma,thats fine too, use what you can get and have cross over for other cartridges.

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    Okay, I will stick will the large pistol primers.

    Getting primers and powder is not a problem in Denmark.

    Now ask me how difficult it is to get a hold of a .357/44B&D reamer!? It took me a year and a half to find one! Claymore, Brownells and 2 or 3 reamer-rental firms all turned me down! I found one in Germany for the subtle price of 400 dollars! I now fear the cost of the conversion.
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    Oh, wow!

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    Bain & Davis here in San Gabriel , California is my gunsmith !

    All you need to do is send them your cylinder and they ream it. I think the cost is about $80.00.
    I have seen a number of S&W Model 28s converted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GLL View Post
    Bain & Davis here in San Gabriel , California is my gunsmith !

    All you need to do is send them your cylinder and they ream it. I think the cost is about $80.00.
    I have seen a number of S&W Model 28s converted.

    Jerry
    I had one. Ton's of fun. Light jacketed bullets make modern art out of the driest jackrabbit. The extra velocity is noticeable, but the blast is severe. Lot's of questionable data out there. The case is really best for bullets under 158 grains in the S&W.

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    Could you please elaborate on the questionable data? I'll start reloading soon....

    I plan on using 125gr, 158gr and 180gr boolits.
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    Gunslinger:

    What gun are you converting? If it is a S&W, just find an extra cylinder here in the U.S., have Bain & Davis ream it, and mail the converted cylinder to you in Denmark.

    Jerry
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    It's a Ruger Black Hawk. I have an additional 9mm cylinder for which I have no use, so I thought that would be ideal to use, mainly because it is a large frame revolver....
    The artist formerly known as Wiking

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    Just happened to be in the Bain & Davis gunshop today and Peter (the owner) had two cylinders for N-frame S&Ws sitting on the mill for the conversion ! It still seems to be a popular modification !

    Jerry
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    My copy of the Accurate Smokeless Powder reloading manual Number One has load data for the Bain and Davis. It only lists the CCI 300 primer for load data.

    In order to have a companion to a B&D revolver I was considering the B&D for a model 92 Rossi lever gun by putting a B&D chambered 0.358 barrel in a model 92 Rossi .44 Mag.

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    I had Bain&Davis do this one up back in the early 90's. A good roll crimp is a must to prevent the bullet from coming loose.

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