so i finally got out of the house to do some testing.. my friend daywalker gave me some of his new bullets to test, they are 215 grain .45 cal. bullets . i loaded them with 5.4 grains of bullseye into some 45 acp and went testing... avg mv was 860 fps and they went 4 inches into balistic wax (same as 8 inches into gel)... what i found after cutting wax open was amazing......enjoy... ...bill