I now wonder, after different threads and many post on this subject what has been determined to be the very best manstopper/defense/carry caliber and load that one can possibly get. I want it.
Can the absolutely the best now be determined?
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I now wonder, after different threads and many post on this subject what has been determined to be the very best manstopper/defense/carry caliber and load that one can possibly get. I want it.
Can the absolutely the best now be determined?
I think the best record of one-shot stops has been well established recently in Ukraine with the M777 self-propelled 155mm howitzer.
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No.Originally Posted by 44MAG#1
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I did some work with the help of John Kort several years ago with the soft lead Lyman 42499 44-40 Hollow Point. I cna post more photos and info when I get home. The Gel Tests did pretty good.
Seems that's what's best for one person is never the best for another.
For me the choice is obvious. And my choice would of course be met with derision from all the other know-it-alls!
I thought I had what worked figured out in my mind too.Seems that's what's best for one person is never the best for another.
For me the choice is obvious. And my choice would of course be met with derision from all the other know-it-alls!
I thought a 45 Auto with good ammo would be alright.
Probably "alright" for you but not so good for the guy who owns only, say, a .38 snubby.
And just out of curiosity, exactly what do you mean by "good ammo" for your .45?
"Totalitarianism demands, in fact, the continuous alteration of the past, and in the long run probably demands a disbelief in the very existence of objective truth.” --George Orwell
Well, I would consider FMJRN not good carry ammo. I would consider ammo with the Speer Gold Dot 200/230, Hornady 200/230XTP, the Federal 230 hollow points, and the like good ammo meaning it would be good compared to FMJRN but regardless what I or anyone else will pick, someone else will say something else is better and then someone else will bring up something else being better than what the other two someones said is better and then someone else will bring up something else being better than the other 3 someones said is better and so on and so forth until it is like a dog chasing its tail.
So with that being said the word good is a relative term. Good compared to what? Good compared by who and who's authority? Could something be good but at the same time not be good depending on the situation? Could something be good for ALL situations but not be the best for any one of the individual situations in the situations that make up the ALL situations?
Let me know.
It's easy to make full weight boolits pancake in a .45ACP. The hard part was me realizing that a heavy round nosed mold could be hollow pointed to reliably go splat, have a dependably feeding contour and be heavy enough to keep on pushing through. The old Ideal / Lyman round nose gas check hardball mold worked really well with the copper bottom over the soft alloy.
Heavy .358s from a snubby at 725 fps.
Deep, straight-line penetration and reliable expansion has been “The Rule” through years of use.
Last edited by cainttype; 06-16-2022 at 11:01 AM.
“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”.... Mark Twain
This is the search for the absolutely perfect bullet to do everything possible in all possible situations that anyone can imagine.
It is an endless endeavor that will never stop due to that desire to have the perfect bullet, perfect cartridge and the perfect handgun to fire it in.
“This” is nothing more than a thread about expanding bullets at low velocities, you should stop trying to define a discussion that you apparently can’t contribute too.
Perhaps you should follow your own advice…
Look up “Troll” when you get a chance.
It isn’t up to you what others discuss here, and your never-ending attempts to disrupt threads YOU don’t approve of is nothing more than an ignorant display of poor manners.
“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”.... Mark Twain
I fully understand the concept and need for the manstopper type bullet back in 1899. They were developed to provide the best possible stopping performance in marginal calibers of the day. What I don't understand is why someone would carry a large full-size handgun like a 44 Mag. loaded down to 700 FPS. Even in a 44 Special Charter Arms Bulldog 700 FPS would be considered anemic by todays standards.
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Last edited by M-Tecs; 10-08-2022 at 03:25 AM.
2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there’s absolutely no point."
– Amber Veal
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- Wayne Dyer
It maybe that that person may like the gun they are carrying.
People load down even the smaller guns, smaller caliber and even long barreled handguns.
I shoot a lot of very light loads for fun, targets and SASS. For self-defense I want the most potent load that is safe in that firearm.
2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there’s absolutely no point."
– Amber Veal
"The Highest form of ignorance is when your reject something you don't know anything about".
- Wayne Dyer
You must not have downloaded VIRGEL then. It has changed me.
Never bothered to look at it. I just base my opinion on having shot a significant number of big game animals and lots of varmints/small game. I have been avidly shooting prairie dogs for over 40 years. A slow year is about 2,000 killed. Most was about 7,500.
I also read a lot of history. Cartridges like the 38 Long Colt and 450 Adams had a very very poor reputation in actual usage.
In the 70's shot a lot of jack rabbits with my Colt Gold Cup. GI Ball 45 ACP was very unimpressive against jackrabbits. The Speer 200 JHP flying ashtray were very impressive.
Last edited by M-Tecs; 10-08-2022 at 08:09 PM.
2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there’s absolutely no point."
– Amber Veal
"The Highest form of ignorance is when your reject something you don't know anything about".
- Wayne Dyer
I wouldn't define "anemic" (or "adequate" or "awesome" for that matter) strictly in terms of velocity. A better definition would involve both penetration and wound mass.
A hard-cast 220 grain wadcutter at 650 f/s from a CA Bulldog will easily satisfy the FBI penetration requirement and produce about the same wound mass as the vaunted .38 Special FBI Load. Not "awesome," but probably "adequate" and certainly not "anemic" despite its leisurely velocity.
"Totalitarianism demands, in fact, the continuous alteration of the past, and in the long run probably demands a disbelief in the very existence of objective truth.” --George Orwell
48 percent more DWM.
According to Mr VIRGEL.
VIRGEL seems to have made you obsessive!
"Totalitarianism demands, in fact, the continuous alteration of the past, and in the long run probably demands a disbelief in the very existence of objective truth.” --George Orwell
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