4227 in 30-30

[RickinTN]

Tried using it in 223 for reduced loads. At 10g I experienced one hang fire (pop then bang). After that I made sure tipped the cartridge up to ensure powder was near the primer. Only 5 rounds experimented with so it was inconclusive to me if the powder was position sensitive. Gave up on 4227 and switched to reddot for reduced loads.
YMMV

I use IMR4227 quite a bit in 223 but at higher charges than 10 grains. I load 15.5 grains, as that is the charge that my Little Dandy powder rotor drops, with a Sierra 55 grain "blitz" bullet for excellent accuracy at 100 yards and further I'm sure. I was in need of a groundhog load that was quieter than a standard 223 load. The report is about the same as a standard 22 lr but the ballistics are far superior. I haven't chronographed this load but guesstimate it at about 2,600 fps in the 22" barrel I'm shooting it in, and yes it does quite the job on groundhogs. I've had no hangfires nor anything that would indicate inconsistencies. If I were looking for reduced loads with velocities in the teens then there are better powder choices but for this particular application it would be tough to beat.
Rick

[cold1]

If I were looking for reduced loads with velocities in the teens then there are better powder choices but for this particular application it would be tough to beat.
Rick

4227 was all I had at the time. Switched to red dot and got the speed down to 650FPS with a dead soft cast Bator boolit.

[Tar Heel]

Interesting resurrection of the thread. I myself finally purchased a 30-30 lever action after lusting for one for almost 50 years. I was literally looking to see what loads were getting posted on here after using the Lyman CBH#4 to load up some IMR-4227 under the Lee 170 GCFP bullet.

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[fourarmed]

The previous time 4759 was discontinued (by DuPont), 4227 was the powder generally recommended as a substitute.

[Larry Gibson]

4227 is my favorite powder for the 30-30 and the 7.62x39 with 100 - 125 gr jacketed bullets. I also find H4227 with a Dacron filler to be excellent under the RCBS 30-150-FN in the 30-30.

Larry Gibson

[Tenbender]

http://www.reloadersnest.com/detail....27&LoadID=7516

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[Jackpine]

I have loaded 30-30 with H4227 starting back in the late 70,s in Contenders for handgun silhouette, and more recently (I bought ten pounds of it when Hodgdon discontinued it a few years back) a few thousand rounds with cast bullets for Cowboy long range competitions, in a 94 Winchester, shooting it out to 350 yards, with very good results. I like it because I have gotten very good accuracy and it measures so wonderfully.

I use a filler because I think I get a little better consistency and have never seen the need to go over 15 grains for bullets cast between 150 and 180 grains.

Jackpine

[Shiloh]

Been looking for data in the 30-30 with 4227 and found this thread.
17.5 gr. behind a 311041 sized at .310 gives 1640 fps. 35.6 Ex Spread, and 12.6 St. Dev. Handy Rifle. Accuracy limited by the horrendously bad trigger.
18.0 gr. behind the same boolit. gives 1665 fps. 41.2 Ex. Spread, and 14.0 St Dev. in a different rifle with a better trigger.

I was given some NOE 155 FP. I'll post Data in a few days.

Shiloh

[Outpost75]

Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 4th Edition (2010) on p.144 lists data for IMR4227 with both #311291 and #31141 accuracy load given as 16.5 grs., 1575 fps @ 26,500cup with #311291, max. 22 grs. 1959 fps @ 35,800 cup. They start at 17 grs. with #31141 for 1602 fps @ 23,200 cup. Max. 22 grs. for 1983 fps @ 34,800 cup. Velocities in 24" test barrel on Universal Receiver. I load 18 grs. in my. 30-30s.

[Win94ae]

Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 4th Edition (2010) on p.144 lists data for IMR4227 with both #311291 and #31141 accuracy load given as 16.5 grs., 1575 fps @ 26,500cup with #311291, max. 22 grs. 1959 fps @ 35,800 cup. They start at 17 grs. with #31141 for 1602 fps @ 23,200 cup. Max. 22 grs. for 1983 fps @ 34,800 cup. Velocities in 24" test barrel on Universal Receiver. I load 18 grs. in my. 30-30s.

That is very helpful, thank you!

[ebb]

I am trying to use up my IMR 4227 i have 30/30 cases and some speer 130 grain hot cores. Is there data that can work with these components????

[MostlyLeverGuns]

I've used 12 grains IMR4227 under the Lyman 311407 with great accuracy in a 30-30 Marlin. Also 20 plus/minus grains I4227 works very well under the 311332 in the 300 Savage and 308 Winchester. It has been used for modest loads in many calibers for a very long time, at least 1964/65 when I started reloading. I have used 5744 and IMR 4227 for similar purposes with cast bullets.

[DonHowe]

My High Wall with 14" twist barrel LOVES 14.5gr of IMR 4227 behind a breechseated 200gr Pope style plainbase bullet.
I have used 4227 in .30-06 and .303 CB loads.

[rintinglen]

I have loaded 17.5 grains with the excellent Lyman 311-466 boolit for very good accuracy at 50 yards. IIRC, I was getting about 1700 fps.

[Soundguy]

I understand where Lead Fred is coming from. It's a double edged sword. A double charge will do astonishing things to the gun on the one hand while on the other, it seems to be a great powder for the application and cost effective too. As much as I don't like small charges in a large case, it does work well and I have used it in a 303 Brit and I dare say I will be using it a lot more. I also recommend the use of Dacron as a powder positioner. It will at the very least do no harm.

It is crazy hard to double charge with imr 4227.. there are some pistol charges that are darned near compressed charges with it depending upon bullet you choose.

[ElPistolero]

I only make one load for that critter, ... gun inherited via very funny son/ex-wife situation, using 3031, but I have a buddy who uses a 150gr Lee (#C309-159-F) with anywhere from 16 to 22gr of 4227 with "OK" results. I think I'd rather go to a 170gr bullet with about the same load.

[PAndy]

4227 will be position sensitive, which may or may not matter in your situation, depending what you do and how you load the rifle. I think it smells weird so I use 4198.

[oley55]

4227 will be position sensitive, which may or may not matter in your situation, depending what you do and how you load the rifle. I think it smells weird so I use 4198.

Ain't that the truth? There is just something about the smell of burnt 4227 that is just plain different.