Reloads for self defence

[kentuckyshooter]

So i have always read that reloads are a bad idea for self defence because even with justification they may go after u on the premis that the rounds u made are desighned by u to be extra leathel. I would personal cary handloads for defence becouase they would be throughly tested by me and i would have the ability to tightly control the quality. Back in the day most defence loads were handloaded by the shooter so im kinda on the fence. Whatr everyones else thoughts.

[M-Tecs]

Massad Ayoob is the primary source for the BS of legal ramifications of using handloads. The 380 is the only one that I don't use reloads for self-defense for simply because I cannot equal the performance of Buffalo-bore 380 loads.

Some intersting reading here:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...arry-gun/page3

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...r-self-defense

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...nse-quot-issue

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...o-for-fighting

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...-Firearm/page2

[jmort]

This is a topic that has been hashed out way too many times. I use reloads for self-defense but have given up arguing about it. Everyone should use what they think is best for them.

[Ihsarah]

My only warning is that if you have to use them you have the potential of being made out as a nutjob looking for an opportunity to test them. The legal and political climate around the whole thing is enough for me not to even bother.

[bedbugbilly]

+1 to what jmort says . . . .

I often carry my reloads in my 38s for SD . . and I don't load hot nor am I overly concerned about having the most powerful cartridge . . . .

Each person has to decide for themselves just what they use. . . . and like many things today . . . decide for themselves not because they "saw it on the 'net".

[Bazoo]

I would use reloads for self defense. I am in kentucky also, kentuckyshooter. I am not a lawyer, but i am an instructor. I dont think a person would have a problem using reloads for self defense in this state. If you are justifiable in the use of deadly force, then they most likely wont prosecute you. If you're questionable, then it may come into play during a trial. Make sure if you use deadly force, you're justified in doing so.

If you dont have a ky concealed carry license, i suggest getting one. If you have any questions about it, feel free to ask here or message me, and i'll answer your questions to best of my ability.

[Char-Gar]

Not this zombie myth spread by Ayoob again! Not matter how many times it is disputed and proven to have no basis in fact, BAM..here it is again.

[Walkingwolf]

The best thing is to ask a second amendment attorney. John Pierce in Virginia can be reached on opencarry.org, also USER/Daniel Hawes is a second amendment attorney on the same site. There are more, but those are the two I have talked to.

Bluntly their advice to me has been you are either justified to use deadly force, or you are not. If you are not the most PC humane, perfect ammo will do you no good to save your ****. If you are clearly justified to use deadly force you can use anything you can get your hands on, stick, tool, golf club, cinder block, or a bow.

There are lot of people out there who call themselves experts, but when your **** is on the line, ask a lawyer who specializes in criminal law, and 2A law.

We had a felon use deadly force in Fayetteville recently, and the only thing he was charged with was felon in possession of a firearm. The losers on the other end were home invaders. Even though he broke the law for having a firearm the shooting was still justified. Personally myself I have not seen one case where someone was convicted on ammo alone.

[Love Life]

Using reloads for self defense is of the devil. I heard using reloads for self defense is the cause of earthquakes and hurricanes as well.

[Walkingwolf]

Using reloads for self defense is of the devil. I heard using reloads for self defense is the cause of earthquakes and hurricanes as well.

Gore said it causes global warming...

[Gunslinger1911]

Using reloads for self defense is of the devil. I heard using reloads for self defense is the cause of earthquakes and hurricanes as well.

And global warming !

[Gunslinger1911]

(I'm no expert - but, I'm still alive after 56 years).
I use my hand loads. I used to use factory. I thought long and hard, did a lot of research.
My reason, I get to train with the actual loads I'm protecting me and mine with. Not the closest I can approximate factory SD ammo - the ACTUAL ammo.
Would it mean anything in court ? Dunno. A good shoot is a good shoot, a bad shoot is a bad shoot.
Does it mean anything to me, you bet your ....

[nvbirdman]

"Had your scumbag client given me sufficient time to switch to factory loads I would have gladly done so, but due to the fact that I believed he would kill me if I didn't act immediately, I used what was already in the gun."

[kentuckyshooter]

Got everything to get my conceled carry just havent went to the sheriffs ofice yet. Been waiting to see where me and my old lady move to. Glad i did cause im landing in a difrent county. Didnt wont to get them and then go threw the truble of changing my adress. This is something i have though and read on for a while. Im cheap and hate to give 1 a round for ammo. I just never was shure about the leagal side if i was forced to use it. Also i apoligize as i have aparently brought up a well worn subject on here.

[DLCTEX]

If you don't know the answer, ask away. Knowledge is glady shared by most, begrudgingly by a few!

[Love Life]

It's a good topic.

[Walkingwolf]

Got everything to get my conceled carry just havent went to the sheriffs ofice yet. Been waiting to see where me and my old lady move to. Glad i did cause im landing in a difrent county. Didnt wont to get them and then go threw the truble of changing my adress. This is something i have though and read on for a while. Im cheap and hate to give 1 a round for ammo. I just never was shure about the leagal side if i was forced to use it. Also i apoligize as i have aparently brought up a well worn subject on here.

No need to apologize, better to ask, and get pointed in the right direction. AFAIK New Jersey is the only state that prohibits certain ammunition to citizens. And then the prohibition is dum dum ammo/hollow points. I have used reloads for SD carry for decades, a lot of the old timers used handload ammo as many depts did not supply ammo.

Keep in mind that most police officers carry factory ammo, and when they screw up it does not matter what ammo they have. Just my opinion, but I would be more careful about what I say on the internet as worrying about ammo. If a person makes comments that indicate they want to shoot somebody on the internet, it may bite them in the **** if they do. Also in court attorneys will try to discredit a witness, and that can be done by testimony not matching previous statements. Even on the internet, so keep in mind to be consistent what you put out in cyberspace just in case.

[shooter93]

Here's the deal.....if you shoot someone with factory ammo the opposing attorney will accuse you of using ammo specifically designed to rip and tear human flesh......If you shoot someone with a reload he will accuse you of tailoring ammo to specifically tear up human flesh. You are either justified in the shooting or you are not. No case has ever hinged on the type of ammo used. And a great deal will have to do with where you live. Some areas defending yourself is expected and others you would have a far greater time proving your justification. I suppose I'm lucky that where I live there have been a number of defensive shootings that the DA didn't even touch because of the attitudes here. That could also be the reason there are so few here.

[bob208]

some thoughts many years ago I hand loaded ammo for 3 small town police forces. even used my own hand cast bullets. those were the days when they carried wheelguns . colt op's, s&w heavy-duty and some ruger security-six. the load they got was 358429 in a .38spl case going at close to 1000 fps. they all liked the way it would cut through a windshield or car door.


that myth put out by massad ayoob is just plain B.S.

[kentuckyshooter]

Im a big beleaver in praticing with what u cary. A gun acts difrently with difrent loads( no realy wisdom there) so the key to being able to protect your self as i see it is to pratice the way u cary. If u shoot handloads for pratice and hot factor ammo for cary when u are face with a life and death situation ur not gona rember that the factory stuff shots x inches off poi. Also i want to say im a normal saine person and hope to never be in a situation where i am force to make such a choice. I war taught to think my way out first.