Another 1050 vs 650 thread

[Alvarez Kelly]

All Dillon presses come with a small and a large powder bar. You can set the small one for 9mm and swap in the large one when you load 223.

[kryogen]

The 1050 does not

[Alvarez Kelly]

The 1050 does not

It does come with both powder bars. It does not come with both primer systems.

If for some reason you do not get both, I'll mail you a large powder bar.

[M-Tecs]

Both of my 1050's came with a small and a large powder bars.

[jmorris]

Yes, all of my 1050's came with large and small powder bars.

What you don't get is both large and small primer system conversions, like you do with the SD, 550 and 650.

[kryogen]

ok great thanks for letting me know.

Would you guys get the dillon dies for 9mm or it's not worth it over the lee dies that I already have?

[jmorris]

If you are happy with the Lee dies keep using them. I happen to like Lee dies myself for the most part.

[M-Tecs]

The 1050's come factory set with dies. Since you are only loading .223 and 9mm you will need to pick one. I do a high volume of .223 and 308 so I went with carbide in both. You still need lube but they should last 20 times longer than steel.

[kryogen]

full carbide?

[jmorris]

full carbide?

Full length carbide sizing, the carbide is an insert, just like all other carbide size dies.

They are also expensive and have gone up since I bought the ones I have.

http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/con...hree_Die_Sets_

[M-Tecs]

If you select a 223 carbide die with the 1050 its a $74.00 upcharge. I did this when I ordered both of my 1050's. One carbide 223 & one carbide 308. Cheaper that way. I had to pay full price on the carbide 45/70. They don't stock it anymore. Through the years Dillon has offered some odd ball carbide dies.

[kryogen]

how many rounds of 223 / 308 do you reload per year?
I find my lee die very smooth for 223 and 308 when using proper lube. Is the carbide better than that?
Easiest sizing I ever got was by dumping 1000 rounds in a bin, run my gloved hands in some mobil 1, and just run through cases with my hands.
Totally effortless sizing, but then it requires hot water and degreaser washing after that.... not very convenient.

[M-Tecs]

See posts #8, 9 & 10 http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...837#post719837

[angus6]

To me my .223 carbide die was a waste of money, if I were doing it over I might look at the carbide trim die since every piece of .223 brass goes through the trimmer and I no longer use a F/L sizing die in station 2 just a decap die to make sure the flash hole is clear

[M-Tecs]

Learn something every day. I didn't know Dillon made carbide trim dies. I see they do and in more calibiers than the FL dies. I currently use a Giraud Power Trimmer http://www.giraudtool.com/prod02.htm so my carbide dies rifle work very well for me. Good point if you use the Dillon trimmer. I had one of the very first ones that still has the life time warranty but like a darn fool I sold it.

[kryogen]

the giraud trimmer imo is just a better piece of gear vs the dillon trimmer, bevel in and out, isnt it?
But the trimming every brass without handling it on the dillon progressive is just awesome....

[angus6]

the giraud trimmer imo is just a better piece of gear vs the dillon trimmer, bevel in and out, isnt it?

Bet on the firing line you wouldn't be able to tell which a cartridge was done by

[M-Tecs]

Bet on the firing line you wouldn't be able to tell which a cartridge was done by

Actually the long range competitors can. While I have never not chamfered, I do get noticeably better groups and elevation using a VLD chamfer verse a 45 degree chamfer. No chamfer should be worse.

[jmorris]

the giraud trimmer imo is just a better piece of gear vs the dillon trimmer, bevel in and out, isnt it?
But the trimming every brass without handling it on the dillon progressive is just awesome....

For 1000 a year it will be fine. Using one of the pencil sharpener style trimmers for a lot of cases at once quickly gets old. I can size and trim 1800 cases an hour using a Dillon trimmer on a 650, much faster than by hand and no sore or blistered fingers.

[angus6]

Actually the long range competitors can. While I have never not chamfered, I do get noticeably better groups and elevation using a VLD chamfer verse a 45 degree chamfer. No chamfer should be worse.

Well I'm thinking that the OP isn't looking at long range competition as he's looking at the 1050 not a Arbor Press