30/30 tube mag bullet?

[b52fizzle]

I know I can have one cut anyway I want, just wondering if any of you guys swage 30 caliber flat nose to use in tube fed magazines? Imterested in what weights and what your using to make them?

[BT Sniper]

Here you go. I made these few bullets a long time ago using improved CH dies and FN5.7X28 brass cut at shoulder for jackets. Bullet weight was 150 grains. I forget the dameter of the meplat/nose of the bullet, think it was .155

BT

[BT Sniper]

Just a side note for those of you that notice the rounded swaged base to the bullet.

I spit a CH 30 cal core seat die while experimenting on that project. I was applying way TO MUCH pressure. Ya Think! I later determined it was not worth the effort and harm to the die.

BT

[b52fizzle]

Thanks BT that looks perfect loaded, would surely need cannelure on those too.

[DukeInFlorida]

Cannelure?

I never crimp jacketed rifle rounds.

And, I only "crimp" cast rifle rounds because I bell mouth the cases slightly to get the bullet in. Those get a very light crimp, just to push the brass back into place.

And, cannelures are not there as a guide for where to seat to. You should always seat to recommended depths, which for swaged bullets from case jackets, is a matter of load development.

Brian, that 30-30 polished round looks amazing. Obviously, that was a special push out pin/metplat combo.

[GRUMPA]

On the 30cal projectiles that are swaged, I'm curious if it's at all possible to use the notching die from BT's pistol swage die set on the swaged rifle boolits.

[MIBULLETS]

Thanks BT that looks perfect loaded, would surely need cannelure on those too.

Yep, 30-30 in a tubular mag definately needs a crimp. You can easily put one on in the proper location with a CH or Corbin tool.

[BT Sniper]

On the 30cal projectiles that are swaged, I'm curious if it's at all possible to use the notching die from BT's pistol swage die set on the swaged rifle boolits.

I tried it on the small 22 cal, the bullet didn't form up to well. I did have sucess with it on the 30 cal bullet like the one pictured above. So long as it has a larger meplat the XTP notch will work very well. The smaller the meplat??????? Well anything is possible I always say.

Lets see I took a pic here somwhere, these are from the same die with the .155 meplat that I made a small Hp for, actually sent some off to a 30-30 shooter, don't recall how he did with them. I imagine I could have made it look even better with the XTP notch on these. From teh looks of it I think the jacket was a little to long and teh notch a little to deep but it worked! This was quite a while ago though, it might have been notched with one of my early generation notch dies. Maybe even better results can be obtained with my lattest version? I think the next product should be a XTP punch that scores teh inside of teh riffle cal jacket....... hummm?

[runfiverun]

i think i would rather have the exposed lead flat point in a 30-30.

i know that the old style cut point will open very well if you cut the jaxket [in the core seat die]
leave a bit of exposed lead,and flatten the nose.
using a 180gr core and 5-6 more grains of lead. in the 44 die.
this is a best of both worlds type boolit,you get good initial penetration and then enough expansion to make a difference.
this is how i do my 255 gr hunting bullets.

if you don't cut the jaxket and leave a good bit of lead exposed and use the big holow point stem they will mushroom enough to separate the core/jaxket.
this is how i do my 315 gr 44's

[b52fizzle]

Cannelure?

I never crimp jacketed rifle rounds.

And, I only "crimp" cast rifle rounds because I bell mouth the cases slightly to get the bullet in. Those get a very light crimp, just to push the brass back into place.

And, cannelures are not there as a guide for where to seat to. You should always seat to recommended depths, which for swaged bullets from case jackets, is a matter of load development.

Brian, that 30-30 polished round looks amazing. Obviously, that was a special push out pin/metplat combo.

Cannelure prevents bullet setback in tube mags and heavy recoiling rounds, highly recommended in either situation, bout as much as using flat pointed bullets.

[b52fizzle]

BT I don't see much of that brass round my parts, any way I can use 9mm and bottom halves of 223 like you did in your other thread?
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=164162

Same die? How many draws to get it to 30 caliber?

[BT Sniper]

223 rem works well. It takes three draw dies to get it to 30 cal.

BT

[milsurpcollector1970]

what size are trhe draw dies for the .223 to 30 dies?

[BT Sniper]

Threaded for 7/8-24.

The reduction is .375-.345-.316-.302

BT

[DukeInFlorida]

wow, that's a very expensive set of development information given away.