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    Big House Fire in Fla. attributed to reloading

    Could happen to anybody that reloads.
    Lesson learned: do not stockpile large quantities of gunpowder in a central location inside your home. Consider getting a flammables locker if you just can’t help yourself.

    Also, don’t reload near flammable liquids. Don’t be a “Special Ed”!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dangitgriff View Post
    Could happen to anybody that reloads.
    Lesson learned: do not stockpile large quantities of gunpowder in a central location inside your home. Consider getting a flammables locker if you just can’t help yourself.

    Also, don’t reload near flammable liquids. Don’t be a “Special Ed”!
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    SAAMI recommendations on powder storage.

    http://blog.westernpowders.com/wp-co...guidelines.pdf

    Storage cabinets should be constructed of insulating materials and
    with a weak wall, seams or joints to provide an easy means of self-venting.
    I don't know how those steel fire cabinets are constructed, but I would hope that they are designed to self vent.

    A wood cabinet, possibly lined with drywall, and designed with either a back or doors that will open/vent under low pressure would probably be the best option for those who want to build their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppy42 View Post
    If you store your reloading components in a locked steel cabinet you’re asking for trouble!
    Quote Originally Posted by am44mag View Post
    SAAMI recommendations on powder storage.

    http://blog.westernpowders.com/wp-co...guidelines.pdf
    Flam lockers are designed for flammables.
    Perfectly ideal place to store gunpowder.
    Now, a very valid argument can be made as to the cost of these things. Most people can’t afford them.
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    They weren't reloading they where "refilling ammo".
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    "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” George Washington

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    I caught that, how dumb can the media be. These idiots think they know so much about guns. I wish someone would slap the **** out of them and kick them square in the ***.

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    I built my own out of plywood and on wheels. Check local ordinances about amounts. Mine says in accordance with federal regs. Can't remember the agency, offhand, IIRC, 32 lb is the amount. I don't keep that much on hand.
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    I store mine in a WW1 footlocker out in the shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangitgriff View Post
    Flam lockers are designed for flammables.
    Perfectly ideal place to store gunpowder.
    Now, a very valid argument can be made as to the cost of these things. Most people can’t afford them.
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    I can’t speak for any place else but not here. Not in a locked steel cabinet.
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    Many smoke while reloading.
    I always hear them say "I've been doing it this way forever, and never had a problem"

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    FL Building Codes rely on, and therefore Hazard insurance in FL, the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) Chapter 495:

    If it was easy, anybody could do it.

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    Wonder if they were using a propane annealer.

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    I have found an old refrigerator or freezer works well for storage. Keeps the moisture out too.

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    Big House Fire in Fla. attributed to reloading

    Quote Originally Posted by poppy42 View Post
    I can’t speak for any place else but not here. Not in a locked steel cabinet.
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    FL Building Codes rely on, and therefore Hazard insurance in FL, the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) Chapter 495:

    Never heard of this requirement. Thanks for posting the regulations.
    Now, can someone please explain to me why a steel flammables locker is not ideal location to keep gunpowder? Why is a flammable wood cabinet better? Are there similar concerns for loaded ammunition or the state-maximum 10,000 primers? Are fireproof safes acceptable for storing powder and primers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dangitgriff View Post
    Never heard of this requirement. Thanks for posting the regulations.
    Now, can someone please explain to me why a steel flammables locker is not ideal location to keep gunpowder? Why is a flammable wood cabinet better? Are there similar concerns for loaded ammunition or the state-maximum 10,000 primers? Are fireproof safes acceptable for storing powder and primers?
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    The thing is, in storing propellants, such as smokeless or black powder in a metal box or safe, you are creating a potentially explosive situation. 2 tsp of black powder in the open ignites very rapidly. Confined in a tightly confined container produces a highly dangerous explosion. Think a flash (like a camera strobe) vs. a fireworks mortar device. The wood gives or burns, while the steel will contain the gases allowing them to build up to an explosive situation.
    Another analogy: put 46.5 grains of IMR 4895 on the ground and ignite--smoke and fire. Put that same amount in a 30/06 case and put a 150 grain boolit in front of it. Shoot it. Lots of deadly force possible. Its a matter of protecting our 1st responders. I never felt like volunteering for EOD.
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    Big House Fire in Fla. attributed to reloading

    I understand that. Flammables lockers are designed to vent explosive gases. That’s why they cost so much more compared to a regular steel cabinet.

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    I used to see lots of Flammable Liquids cabinets come through the govt auctions ,in new condition.........the catch being ,if I had bought any ,they were lined in asbestos fabric,and had asbestos seals in the doors.......Incidentally ,a class of cabinet for flammable nitrocellulose /pyrolin,self oxygenated flammables had a large flue,that was vented to the outside ,greatly increasing installation cost.

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    Here is an example of a DIY cabinet--
    https://forum.accurateshooter.com/th...binet.3887550/
    One of my father's favorite statements: "If I say a chicken dips snuff, look under his wing for the snuffbox" How I was raised, who I am.

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