Are you ready for the Rapture?

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"Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to annoint a most holy place. Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of the annointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time."

Daniel 9:24-25 (E.S.V.)

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[Alabama358]

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

The Midway point of the 7 Year point is 1,290 days (Tribulation)

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

But for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened... shortened to only 45 days of Great Tribulation?

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days..

Blessed is he that makes it to the 1,335 Day mark... 45 days after the midpoint of 1,290 days (45 days of Great Tribulation before the Lord's elect are gathered)

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;.

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

So, who are "The Elect" being gathered at the 1,335 day mark... from all kindreds and people and tongues that have just came out of Great Tribulation??

The Church, The Elect, The Justified , Born again Folks

[Kosh75287]

CAN'T we all just STOP, thank whatever higher power we believe in for what already has BEEN, and tell them we'll be grateful for whatever WILL BE? I mean, if it's all as out of our hands as it is advertised to be, WHAT ELSE should we do?

[Bowdrie]

Alabama, We already know from Daniel 12:11 that there will be 1290 more days after the anti-christ stops the sacrifices in the temple, and that the total time will be a full seven years.
Ok, so follow me a bit on this.
I will admit that I don't know if this is right or wrong, but it's something we can all roll-over in our minds a bit.
In Rev. 6:12>14, (this is the 6th seal opening,) we're told about "a GREAT earthquake", the sun becoming black, and stars of heaven, (meteors?.) fall to earth, and then "Every mountain and Island were MOVED OUT OF THEIR PLACES.
Can any of us even begin to imagine the force needed to do that? It's way beyond our comprehension.
And after that in Rev. 8:12 we're told that both the day and the night, (sun and moon,) give-up a 1/3 of their light.
So, that "might" mean that the "day" was only 8 hours long and the "night" was only 8 hours long, so you would have a 16-hour day instead of a 24-hour day?
Now that would "shorten the days" "Unless the days be shortened,,,,,,,,,," Matt. 24:22.
The earth would still go around the sun once a year, (365 days,) but each "day" would only be 16 hours long.
As I said before, I'm not so sure about that hypothesis, or explanation, it's something that I've read/heard others write or say.
Could giant meteor strikes and great earthquakes and mountains/islands moving out of their places change the rotation of the earth?
Any of this obviously is supernatural by Gods hand, after all He made the sun stand still and the moon stop for a full day in Joshua 10.
I do think there are many things that we'll never know, and Jesus did, (and probably said,) a LOT more than our Bible tells us according to John 21:25.
Many have explained that the "extra" 45 days are at the end of the 1290 days from the midpoint.
The idea being that no "Groom/Husband"" would carry/bring his new "bride" into a home that was totally ruined and demolished from seven years of catastrophes and death/blood everywhere.
The "Groom/Husband" would need some time to clean-up the mess, get-rid of the evil ones, (separate the sheep/goats,) and recall all the Jewish people that have survived from around the world back to Israel, (less than 1/2 of the Jewish people in the world live in Israel today).
Anyway, the wording of Daniel is that there is a full seven years and the "extra" 45 days is "tacked on" at the end of the seven years, (but not part of it).
Lots to consider and think about, I'm glad none of it is a Salvational issue.
I think that our big job is to "spread the Word" as best we can, and God will get the increase.
Addition: One may think that theory/hypothesis I described as simple or childish, but if you give it some thought it's actually pretty profound.
It comes from what Jesus did NOT say, He did not say the NUMBER of days would be shortened, He said the "Days" would be shortened.
How do you "shorten" a day? You put less hours in it.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, and I first read about it ~20 years ago.

[Good Cheer]

CAN'T we all just STOP, thank whatever higher power we believe in for what already has BEEN, and tell them we'll be grateful for whatever WILL BE? I mean, if it's all as out of our hands as it is advertised to be, WHAT ELSE should we do?

You know, about all we can do is what we're told and these conversations really do boil down to disagreements about what we're told to do. For instance, we're told to not be deceived, to beware of worshiping the coming false messiah and to not premeditate what we will say when we are delivered up to it. At the same time of course we're told to not sweat it because our true creator is in control. And then you have many people who blow off what they're told to do because they think they will be flown out of here before they go through what our Father told them. And then there's a myriad variations in between, much of which looks a whole lot like marketing strategies rather than scripture.

Me myself I know that:
This is the generation of the fig tree.
We're about to enter into the third day.
Father is in control.
The devil will make its appearance.
We will all leave these corruptible bodies one way or the other but relatively few people will do so in the transformation that occurs when Jesus returns.
So reckon I'll be here as long as I'm here, here where we were told to go, are being provided for and hope to live in faith for the remainder of our days.

[Nines&Twos]

WHAT ELSE should we do?

Watch. We are called to be watchers so watch! Keep your eyes open, watch and pray. Christ told us this more than once. Mark 13:23 ..I have foretold you all things......13:33 Watch and pray....13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

If you don't watch...you just might miss the wicked one when he slips in...peacefully and prosperously. The Antichrist comes 1st....Watch...don't be deceived.

[Nines&Twos]

We will all leave these corruptible bodies one way or the other but relatively few people will do so in the transformation that occurs when Jesus returns.

I would like to respectfully disagree with you my friend.

1 Corinthians Chapter 15:
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

7th trump is the last trump...ALL be changed.
Why everyone? Well....scoot back to verse 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Before ANYONE receives reward or punishment...what must happen? Judgment before the White Throne of our Father. .....in verse 50 it says Kingdom. What is a kingdom? The King and his Dominion. Wherever our Father is...THAT is the Kingdom of God. ...and since he made and owns EVERYTHING...that's that. So your celestial body will stand before judgment. ....but here's the rub....move down one verse to 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. Notice the change of subject halfway through? We ALL leave this flesh to be judged but NOT everyone will put on an immortal soul. Mortal means likely to die....and many will perish in the consuming fire.

Did I come close to making sense or did I miss the mark again? Well, even if I'm wrong your 3rd observation is, for a fact, beyond contestation.

[Good Cheer]

I would like to respectfully disagree with you my friend.

1 Corinthians Chapter 15:
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

7th trump is the last trump...ALL be changed.
Why everyone? Well....scoot back to verse 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Before ANYONE receives reward or punishment...what must happen? Judgment before the White Throne of our Father. .....in verse 50 it says Kingdom. What is a kingdom? The King and his Dominion. Wherever our Father is...THAT is the Kingdom of God. ...and since he made and owns EVERYTHING...that's that. So your celestial body will stand before judgment. ....but here's the rub....move down one verse to 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. Notice the change of subject halfway through? We ALL leave this flesh to be judged but NOT everyone will put on an immortal soul. Mortal means likely to die....and many will perish in the consuming fire.

Did I come close to making sense or did I miss the mark again? Well, even if I'm wrong your 3rd observation is, for a fact, beyond contestation.

Hey there Nines&Twos.
Not a problem. From my perspective we aren't disagreeing.
I think most people will already be dead by that time but then there's various ideas on what was meant about shortening the time less no flesh would be saved.

[Nines&Twos]

Yeah, I'm inclined to think if he was given the full 7 years...there would be a handful and not much more.

[Bowdrie]

There are TWO judgements, and TWO resurrections 1, The judgement seat of Christ. 2, The Great White Throne, and the 1st resurrection unto life, the 2nd resurrection unto death.
#1 resurrection/judgement is for the Righteous/Saved, where we are judged NOT for sin, but for rewards/crowns, and yes, our positions in the "pecking order", if you will. Yes, there is a pecking order in the Kingdom.
That judgement comes before we enter into the millennial Kingdom.
#2, resurrection/judgement is The Great White Throne judgement, and it takes place after the 1,000 years of the millennial kingdom reign of our Lord and is ONLY for the unbelievers.
The unbelievers who have died in the past or during the tribulation, and those children born to the mortal people who are in the millennial reign who die during that 1,000 years without accepting the Lord will NOT be resurrected to face that judgement until the millennial reign is over.
In Rev. 20:6 you see both resurrections, the 1st unto life, the second is for those who have the "second death", the first death they had here on earth, the second death when thrown into everlasting torment.

[Alabama358]

Many have explained that the "extra" 45 days are at the end of the 1290 days from the midpoint.

I don't think anyone (including Daniel) said that there is an EXTRA 45 days tacked on to the 7 year period

- 1290 days (Beginning of sorrows/Tribulation)

- 45 days (Great Tribulation)

- Twinkling of an eye... dead in Christ (Dan 12:1 ...thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book both Jew and Gentile) shall rise first and Then we which are alive and remain (both Jews and Gentiles) shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

- 1245 days God's Wrath poured out on the wicked

The idea being that no "Groom/Husband"" would carry/bring his new "bride" into a home that was totally ruined and demolished from seven years of catastrophes and death/blood everywhere.
The "Groom/Husband" would need some time to clean-up the mess, get-rid of the evil ones, (separate the sheep/goats,) and recall all the Jewish people that have survived from around the world back to Israel, (less than 1/2 of the Jewish people in the world live in Israel today).

If you believe in creation as stated in Genesis... God created the Heavens and the Earth on the first day.
- The idea that God would need extra time to clean up is is laughable
- Needing time to recall Jews back to Israel is just more made up stuff that has no Scriptural backing

Anyway, the wording of Daniel is that there is a full seven years and the "extra" 45 days is "tacked on" at the end of the seven years, (but not part of it).

Well if that is not something just made up... you should be able to supply chapter and verse that clearly says that the "45 days are tacked on" and "not part of the 7 years"

I think that our big job is to "spread the Word" as best we can, and God will get the increase.

If the "Word" being spread is false doctrine... Does God really get the increase? But if through vigorous discussion (which some brethren are afraid of) just one soul should move from false doctrine to the Truth of the Word... then God gets the increase?

Addition: One may think that theory/hypothesis I described as simple or childish, but if you give it some thought it's actually pretty profound.
It comes from what Jesus did NOT say, He did not say the NUMBER of days would be shortened, He said the "Days" would be shortened.
How do you "shorten" a day? You put less hours in it.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, and I first read about it ~20 years ago.

No not so much childish or simple...
More like in search of scripture to fit a false doctrine but cant find it... resulting in story telling and jawboning.

You have said words matter... let us take it down to a grade school level

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Subject - Great Tribulation
Conjunction - And (connecting verse 22 to 21)
Idioms - Days should be shortened (which days...the days of Great tribulation being brought to an abrupt end by means of gathering his Elect)

So, in short "Those days should be shortened" is not the earth being struck by a giant meteor slowing its rotation so that the actual unit of measure of a day changes from 24 hours to 16 hours and thus shortening the hours of Days. WOW!!! it is hard to believe that anyone would submit that as a cogent option to "those days being shortened" meaning

What it actually means is what it says... The Lord will return and gather his people, the Justified, the Church, His Elect cutting short the days of "Great Tribulation" for Those found in the Lambs book of Life

The remaining 1,245 days will be God's wrath poured out on a world that chose to reject Christ and the Gift of salvation.

[Bowdrie]

You're sadly misinformed.
Those "remaining 1245 days" that you think of are in reality 1245 days of the anti-christ seeking out any and all who refuse his mark, seeking out any Jews to kill, and seeking out to kill any who profess belief/acceptance of the Lord.
Settle down, and don't accuse me of spreading false doctrine, more than once I said that I DID NOT subscribe to the hypothesis I posted, but only posted it as something I had heard/read about that others might want to think about.
As far as the "Groom/Bride" thing and the 45 days, I SPECIFFICLY said it was an IDEA that many have proposed, I did NOT say that it was doctrine that I believed in.
At some point you need to stop putting words in people's mouths that they did not say, it's bad form and it doesn't help any meaningful discussions between believers, it only shows your anger towards any thoughts that others may or may not have.

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"I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you."

John 14:18-20 (E.S.V.)

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