Should be pretty easy to find a used RCBS or Lyman. Now that I have decided to order a STAR, I will most likely sell my heated 4500 on here or another forum site/ebay soon. They work well and from when I tried Alox (liquid) hard lube seems to lead less and is definetly less messy. I only cast one bullet and have never changed my die out, I simply need higher volume. I am sure there are other casters out there in the same place I am.