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    NEWS: ATF has decided to pull their proposed backdoor ammo ban!

    The following quote came directly from my congressman via e-mail. I would expect that it is accurate.

    Hopefully the price gouging will stop now!

    After considerable pressure from a bipartisan coalition in the House and from 2nd Amendment supporters from around the country, the ATF has decided to pull their proposed backdoor ammo ban.

    This is a great victory for protecting our 2nd Amendment rights, but we must remain vigilant. The proposed ban was just another attempt by the Obama administration to go around Congress when the President hasn't succeeded through the legislative process.

    I confirmed this here:

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...5-ban-for-now/
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    obammer will just go executive order.

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    They ain't dropped nothing - just looking for an openning that's clear to slip it into our backs

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...-ban-proposal/

    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is shelving a proposal to ban a popular but highly lethal type of bullet, amid opposition from gun-rights advocates and hundreds of members of Congress.

    The agency said in a statement on Tuesday it would not seek to issue the final guidelines "at this time." The proposal pertained to M855 "green tip" ammunition, used in the AR-15 rifle, which regulators looked at banning because it can pierce police body armor.

    The ATF said it would instead wait until Americans have finished commenting on the federal regulations and evaluate their comments and suggestions before "proceeding with any framework."

    The statement follows 52 senators and 238 House members joining in opposition to any attempt the Obama administration might make to ban the ammo.

    "This attack on the Second Amendment is wrong and should be overturned," said Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., who started the petition. "A clear, sizeable majority of the House agrees.”

    Armor-piercing ammunition for handguns has been banned since 1986 as a way to protect police officers.

    The agency also said the decision was based on the "overwhelming interest in this issue and the issues raised in the comments received.”

    The ATF said it has received more than 80,000 public comments and that an overwhelming number were critical of the proposal.

    The Justice Department will make a final decision when all of the comments are reviewed.

    Gun rights groups have argued that the ammo ban would be a backdoor attempt to ban assault weapons.

    The weapons would still work without the M855s but they would no longer be capable of firing body-armor piercing ammo.
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    Yea it looks like they didn't want to become another Obama administration scandal statistic

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    So, they'll probably bring it back later, quietly, when nobody is looking and shove it down our throats?

    Also note that any rifle ammunition will penetrate a Bullet Proof Vest/Police Body-Armor. It was designed to stop handgun ammo, which is what most crooks use. So the whole thing is STILL BS.
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    I think they thought it would go through quietly like the steel core 7.62x39 ban did many years ago, or the steel core 5.45mm ban did last year.

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    Gotcha!

    Ban , Ban , Ban!

    Maybe we ought to start banning something that they like?
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    Fellas, this not a victory yet. They WILL try this again. Do not let up on the pressure just because they said they are going to put it on the back burner for now. Make it very clear to them that we will not forget this issue and we will not allow them any slack whatsoever.

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    Hi,
    Why are there people on this site,that does not belong to the NRA????
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    The ban was not stopped for now. They are saying they will wait until after the comment deadline before proceeding. They got caught cutting out the exemption in the guide so they are making people think "we" won when there is no win.

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    the following statement says it all, from the above post:

    "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is shelving a proposal to ban a popular but highly lethal type of bullet, amid opposition from gun-rights advocates and hundreds of members of Congress."

    Tell me now, exactly what ammo is not popular nor lethal? why is green tip any different?

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    Read the actual quote of what the ATF said, they did not say they are shelving anything.

    Thank you for your interest in ATF’s proposed framework for determining whether certain projectiles are “primarily intended for sporting purposes” within the meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C). The informal comment period will close on Monday, March 16, 2015. ATF has already received more than 80,000 comments, which will be made publicly available as soon as practicable.

    Although ATF endeavored to create a proposal that reflected a good faith interpretation of the law and balanced the interests of law enforcement, industry, and sportsmen, the vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework, and include issues that deserve further study. Accordingly, ATF will not at this time seek to issue a final framework. After the close of the comment period, ATF will process the comments received, further evaluate the issues raised therein, and provide additional open and transparent process (for example, through additional proposals and opportunities for comment) before proceeding with any framework.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seagiant View Post
    Hi,
    Why are there people on this site,that does not belong to the NRA????
    Because they don't care about their firearm rights and like riding on the backs of others. If they belong to another organization I'm fine w/ that. Problem is that 99% of them don't. If all firearm owners were members of the NRA we wouldn't be fighting constantly. You can't ignore and spin the will of 100 million citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragon813gt View Post
    Because they don't care about their firearm rights and like riding on the backs of others. If they belong to another organization I'm fine w/ that. Problem is that 99% of them don't. If all firearm owners were members of the NRA we wouldn't be fighting constantly. You can't ignore and spin the will of 100 million citizens.
    I think it's closer to 150 million now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defcon-One View Post
    Gotcha!

    Ban , Ban , Ban!

    Maybe we ought to start banning something that they like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaswoodworker View Post
    I think it's closer to 150 million now.
    A conservative figure is 100 million which is why I went w/ it. Still a very substantial number. Some estimates put it at 50% which is 158 million. I'd be happy if 50 million were members but like a lot of things in life a small percentage will shoulder the burden.

    This is not a win. It's more like half time. The government is in the locker room and the coach is firing them up because they're down. Expect them to come out firing on all cylinders.

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    The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, somebody else said that but I don't know who. We never win we just get to continue fighting. People who look for the final victory don't understand the struggle. You fight until you can't anymore.

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    NEWS: ATF has decided to pull their proposed backdoor ammo ban!

    Quote Originally Posted by kens View Post
    the following statement says it all, from the above post:

    "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is shelving a proposal to ban a popular but highly lethal type of bullet, amid opposition from gun-rights advocates and hundreds of members of Congress."

    Tell me now, exactly what ammo is not popular nor lethal? why is green tip any different?
    "Highly lethal bullet"..........doesn't that cover 99.99999999% of all bullets/bool it's?

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    NEWS: ATF has decided to pull their proposed backdoor ammo ban!

    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, somebody else said that but I don't know who.

    Origin of that is from John Philpot Curran; "The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance’"

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