Franken-Ruger

[ErnieBishop]

I used all 6 chambers as well at 500 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcyP...742NZg&index=2

So, where's the Franken here? IMO you are doing all the RIGHT things! First you turn Rugers to what "they should be" (action work, timing, lock-up) and then you make them as accurate as possible.

About hitting a pdog to 400 yards with a REVOLVER.. Do you have a dedicated chamber to do that? Or can you use any of the chambers with the same confidence?

[ErnieBishop]

Thanks!
Yes, I am still learning, and plan to continue in that journey with a variety of different weapon types.
If you want to hit two birds with one stone, pop on over to NE Wyoming in June for WY-SHOT and you can shoot both of my FR's and several SP's while you are at it, not to mention whatever Chris brings and close to 30 other guys with all kinds of handguns.
Short range to LR on steel and pd's...Fun, Fun, Fun!!!

I would gladly shot one or more of Chris's guns as long as he came with them and taught me the proper technique and would visit about smithing. Just like I would like to spend some time with Ernie learning his knowledge about SP's and his techniques for long range. These guys have tons to teach in their own area and Ernie is trying to improve in another area. Don't bash them because they have open minds and are open to improvement.

[44man]

I never say bad about a person. I just want proof from a theory.
BC and I would be best friends and I would listen but just show to bring me in. I did that kind of shooting with a S&W 27 back over 65 years ago, able to hit 1" targets at 100 yards. 8-3/8" ribbed barrel with a Phantom scope. Shot prone.
i took hair off a running wood chuck at 550 yards with a flat top Ruger .44. off hand.
When you show 1" groups at 700 yards, show it or let me tell you it is Bull at the highest order.

[ErnieBishop]

1" groups at 700 yards???? Seriously??????
Some of your statements bring a smile and a laugh. Today I needed that.
I have never shot a 1" group at 700 yards in my life with any kind of weapon.

[Love Life]

I'll take guns for...ummm....testing. How long can I keep em'!?

[ErnieBishop]

Head this way, and I will let you shoot them. You just pay for the components replacement.
Send For Testing......No

I'll take guns for...ummm....testing. How long can I keep em'!?

[Love Life]

Drats!

[SSGOldfart]

I used all 6 chambers as well at 500 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcyP...742NZg&index=2

Sweet shooting Your the Man with that one was it rounds you cast?

[BCgunworks]

I never say bad about a person. I just want proof from a theory.
BC and I would be best friends and I would listen but just show to bring me in. I did that kind of shooting with a S&W 27 back over 65 years ago, able to hit 1" targets at 100 yards. 8-3/8" ribbed barrel with a Phantom scope. Shot prone.
i took hair off a running wood chuck at 550 yards with a flat top Ruger .44. off hand.
When you show 1" groups at 700 yards, show it or let me tell you it is Bull at the highest order.

Be a good idea to look at posts above from other members and the rifle vs revolver thread.....lots of members showing their "support" for your claims.

[BCgunworks]

Sweet shooting Your the Man with that one was it rounds you cast?

Those were the Sierra 170 match

[Mooseman]

I guess some people never heard of Buntline Revolvers and bicycle guns...
With that said , If the custom Franken Ruger is not for you , you dont need to come on the mans thread and poop on it.
Rich

[ErnieBishop]

Thank you sir.

[rlb]

Well said.

[dtknowles]

If it's against your ethics then don't do it.

But dead is dead.

Remember we are running longer barrels with tighter bc gaps. The velocity is much faster than your standard gun. I can't remember the velocity off hand but I'm thinking it was over 1500

I think each hunters ethics reflect on the community and the continued health of the sport. With all the pressure on the Hunting community why not use a more appropriate gun/cartridge or limit the range to match the gun/cartridge's capability. Dead is dead, is addressing a single successful event not the probability of success which is the ethical question. How likely is a humane kill in the given situation.

Tim

[BCgunworks]

I think each hunters ethics reflect on the community and the continued health of the sport. With all the pressure on the Hunting community why not use a more appropriate gun/cartridge or limit the range to match the gun/cartridge's capability. Dead is dead, is addressing a single successful event not the probability of success which is the ethical question. How likely is a humane kill in the given situation.

Tim

If the bullet works at the given velocity and the shooter can work with the conditions. Then in my eyes it's a go.

Some don't like the long range rifle shots either.

As long as one practices the given distance. Knows what the projectile will do. And has confidence in the shot. Have at it.

And of course one needs the right equipment to do such things.

If someone isn't confident in what they are doing then they shouldn't do it.
My limitations don't set someone else's limitations. And others limitations don't set mine.

[dtknowles]

Ran the numbers best I could remember. At 200 yards is going about 1100 fps with 9.4 Moa of drop.

That is not far off from what I expected, maybe a 50 to 100 fps more than I would have guessed. Back when people just started seriously using handguns on deer, Jeff Cooper wrote and article about minimum cartridge for deer and he acknowledged that it is not a clear cut choice. Deer come in all different sizes and velocity can make up for lighter bullets and smaller calibers and he was talking semiautos and revolvers not bolt guns or single shots. He went down the list of common semiauto and revolver rounds of the day (not 40 S&W or 10 mm or 45 GAP, ect) His conclusion was that the round should be 40 caliber or greater, have a 200 grain bullet or greater and a velocity of 1000 fps or greater. He made two exceptions to these rules one for a hot 45 ACP handload, he said that if your load was close to 1000 fps with a 200 grain bullet that it might be alright. The second exception was a hot .357 mag from a long barrel revolver. He did not say what velocity the .357 needed to deliver but I am sure he was expecting more than 1100 fps at the target. He considered these exceptions to be marginal along with 38-40, 44-40, 44 special but 41 mag., 44 mag. and hot 45 Colt handloads good choices. Why use a marginal gun when good choice abound, especially when you have the money and equipment to make or buy whatever you want? Not trying to knock the Franken Ruger, it just does not seem to be the right tool for shooting deer at 200+ yards, maybe better saved for shooting coyotes.

Tim

[Love Life]

A discussion what is, or is not ethical, along with a person's capabilities would be a great idea for another thread...

[paul h]

Handgun hunting is no different than rifle hunting. 95+% is shot placement. The only thing is when "marginal" guns are used the blame is placed on not using a powerful enough gun, vs. putting the blame where it belongs, on the muffed shot. There are plenty of deer wounded and lost shot by 454's, 500's and various large bore magnum rifles.

This thread has rekindled my interest in accurate revolvers and a Franken-Ruger 357 is on my list of I wanna guns. I get way more satisfaction shooting small groups with a revolver than a single shot pistol or rifle. Most revolvers aren't up to the task.

[BCgunworks]

It should go in another thread I reckon. But I'll close with this and repeat myself again

One persons limitations don't dictate the next persons.

All bullets have a velocity range they will perform in. This was well within that range for the bullet.

This same discussion comes up all the time. Not just related to this thread.
The common trend now is bigger is better....for example when you go with an outfitter they generally want your rifle to say magnum somewhere.

The only way to truly know what works is to test it.

All the various formulas give you a reasonable guess but nothing can be confirmed until it is done.

Not the first animal I have taken with a 357. And there are many in history who have taken much larger critters with one.

When I hear this discussion I just smile and think about my grandfather killing deer, black bear, and elk with a 25/20.....

[apen]

Would it be possible to make one of these with a shroud that goes to the end of an eight or 10" barrel?