44 Mag with BP

[9w1911]

thank you sir!! and yes I am using 777 I was considering making a compression dowel by measuring the length from the crimp groove to the base of the bullet and thus make a "die" from this and I was just going to compress the 25gn of 777 never thought of adding of taking away powder

[Nobade]

Hodgdon says not to compress T7. The little I have used it in cartridges, I just use enough to touch the base of the seated boolit. Loaded that way it is plenty powerful.

-Nobade

[9w1911]

Hodgdon says not to compress T7.--yikes ok

[MikeS]

yes, every day

i use 16.1 gr BY WEIGHT behind a lee 240 gr swc. superbly accurate in every 44 mag i own. gives 1/16" compression in my cases.

otter

Otter, that sounds like a very light load for black powder. Are you using real black powder, or are you using Pyrodex, or one of the other BP substitute powders?

[bigted]

naaa don't know bout the triple 7 powder but I don't use a drop tube with real black either.... at least not in my pistol cases... I do the... "hold the powder pan above the funnel bout 6 inch's" ...thing and the settled powder is what it is. try a dowel to determine the depth and adjust the powder amount till you get what you desire. use the boolit for compressing the .120 or 1/8th inch...this will do no harm to the boolit and wont till you get fancy with exotic amounts and different components and such...then you will require a compression plug for your die's.

this is a very easy process and un-complicated. bp loading is fun and shooting is fun and casting is fun and on n on n on...

have fun with it and don't allow yourself to be bogged down by fellers that normally shoot smokeless as they have not spent the time with this very addictive powder and its simple ways. these folks here on this forum have taught me tons of stuff on this profound shooting fun and they will likely not steer you wrong either.

if your procedure is not making you smile ,,, then re-group and begin again...this is very fun and smiles are the currency that is spent in the pursuit of it.

[bigted]

deleted a double...srry bout that.

[HPT]

44 Mag Rossi 9 shots in 2.625" @ 100yds (fouling shot @ 12 o'clock)
38 gr Goex 2FG Accurate Mold 43-215C 20:1 CCI 300 primer



44 Mag Rossi 9 shots in 2.75" @ 100yds (fouling shot @ 12 oclock)
38 gr Swiss 1-1/2 FG Accurate Mold 43-215C 20:1 CCI 300 primer

[sparkz]

I had been watching this
and to be clear
in my Ruger SBH 44mag 8"
I can* use FF & FFF ?
thought FFF was rifle? thats slower correct?
Is one primer better then other for BP? regular bill-o-fair primers (is brand a big deal?)
Can I use 50-50%, FOR LUBE OR Do i need to clean out sizer (Is it a big deal?, bear to switch lubes in sizer, haha)
( to be clear I can use what I do now with smokeless and to use BP, only change powder & volume used?)
I am not ready to load BP yet but I hope to
and I am collecting Knowledge from these posts

(Not tryin to hyjack but trying to add questions so you add answers to topic)
Please Advise

Patrick & Sean Campbell

[otter5555]

Otter, that sounds like a very light load for black powder. Are you using real black powder, or are you using Pyrodex, or one of the other BP substitute powders?

it's my home made black. been makin' it for 40+ years. everything i own shoots smaller groups with black. i just dont like the clean up or thats all i'd shoot.

[nwellons]

I had been watching this
and to be clear
in my Ruger SBH 44mag 8"
I can* use FF & FFF ?
thought FFF was rifle? thats slower correct?
Is one primer better then other for BP? regular bill-o-fair primers (is brand a big deal?)
Can I use 50-50%, FOR LUBE OR Do i need to clean out sizer (Is it a big deal?, bear to switch lubes in sizer, haha)
( to be clear I can use what I do now with smokeless and to use BP, only change powder & volume used?)
I am not ready to load BP yet but I hope to
and I am collecting Knowledge from these posts

(Not tryin to hyjack but trying to add questions so you add answers to topic)
Please Advise

Patrick & Sean Campbell

I can answer some of your questions. FF is rifle, FFF is pistol (and FFFF is for priming flintlock pans.) For my .44 Russian pistol, I use either FF or FFF. Not much difference. I find I get more consistent velocities using Magnum Pistol Primers. Use any lube you want - as long as it is black powder lube! I pan lube with beeswax/canola oil/solid Crisco mix.

Also, I use Lee dippers for measurement and slightly compress the powder with the boolit.

[bigted]

loading this original powder is just this simple...

1- a Lee dipper #1.9 full or GOEX Cartridge powder [30 grains weighed] and dropped thru an RCBS funnel with the 6 inch long tube installed.
2- a Lyman 325 grain home cast boolit lubed with SPG.
3- primed with cci 300 primers
4- loaded in FC [federal] cases
5- boolit seated and crimped in 1 operation
6- load the cylinder full of 6 shells and smear Crisco on the mouth of the loaded chambers
shoot these most fun cases and go back for more.

cleanup...

1- remove the cylinder screw on the right side of your Smith and remove the cylinder from frame.
2- spray everything inside and out with ballistol/water mix or Windex with vinegar and allow to set for as long as it takes to put the empty cases [minus primers] into a jug for the soaking in water/Dawn mix.
3- begin with the barrel and swab it out with clean patch's soaked in ballistol/water...continue till patch's come clean.
4- swab the cylinder chambers the same till clean.
5- wipe down whole revolver/cylinder/crane with a clean towel till dry and clean.
6- spray down copiously with rem oil or outers gun oil...inside the action as well.
7- re-assemble revolver as it drips with oil.
8- smile as you wipe it down inside and out with another clean dry towel.
9- put away and wait for your next opportunity to repeat your new favorite sport.
10- time spent on cleaning your Smith 629 has been approx. 4 or 5 minutes

these are most accurate in my Smith and ridiculously fun to load and shoot.

[w30wcf]

44 Mag Rossi 9 shots in 2.625" @ 100yds (fouling shot @ 12 o'clock)
38 gr Goex 2FG Accurate Mold 43-215C 20:1 CCI 300 primer



44 Mag Rossi 9 shots in 2.75" @ 100yds (fouling shot @ 12 oclock)
38 gr Swiss 1-1/2 FG Accurate Mold 43-215C 20:1 CCI 300 primer

HPT,
Nice shooting! I also find the 43-215C to shoot very well even out to 300 meters.......

w30wcf

[junkbug]

Hello all;
Will the Accurate Mold 43-215C work in a 44-40 with black powder? I am looking to shoot it out of a 5 1/2" barreled revolver.

Thanks

[w30wcf]

Hello all;
Will the Accurate Mold 43-215C work in a 44-40 with black powder? I am looking to shoot it out of a 5 1/2" barreled revolver.

Thanks

Yes. It was specifically designed for the .44-40 but will work in other .44 caliber rounds as well.

w30wcf