Fact or myths of reloading

[Roundnoser]

Yeah, right. Let me know how that works out for you.

The feds don't allow internet access in prison.

[cardonasharp]

The cost to set up is very expensive. It depends on the type of press you purchase. Single stage press like a Lee is about $30.00 to Dillon 1050 $1100.00.
It cost me about $3.00 to $ 4.00 to reload 50 45ACP rounds. I am using free wheel weights. So it all depends on how much you go to the range to justify the original cost of your set up and how fancy to want it.

[wiljen]

Surplus powders are inherently dangerous because you never know what the burn rate is going to be unlike canister grade stuff.

Lead bullets will wear out a barrel more quickly than jacketed.

Lead bullets dont need lube, jacketed bullets do just fine without it so lead should be ok too.

It's ok to fire 308s in a 30-06 chamber, that is what they were designed for by the military.

Duplex loads are creating a bomb on purpose.

The 9mm is a much better round than the 38 special.
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The Mauser action is a much better design than the 1903, 1917, etc etc etc (Most of which are direct copies of the Mauser).


The list of garbage that floats the web makes the junk floating in the Pacific from the Japanese tragedy look like a fly swimming in Lake Superior.

[milprileb]

I got a lot of Glock fired range brass and reload it for my 1911 and it works just fine.

Since the choir is talking about myths on reloading I will lay a few on you that are not myths but facts:

a. Reloading is a hobby and you buy any tool you want cause you decided you needed it...just like any tool set.
b. Like any tool set you actually use: it pays you a life time of use dividends
c. Reloading/ casting is enjoyable hobby. You would not be reading this far if it was not.
d. Folks talk like its nothing to spend huge bucks on a rifle but they will snivel about the
small cost of reloading tools to keep such rifles stoked with match grade ammo.
e. Reloading does save money but if you meter your time as a element, then you will lose out. If your time is so expensive, then give up on reloading and don't go shooting either and for goodness sakes, give up on hunting entirely. No profits in days spent and not bagging
a trophy buck with your time meter running.

I own over 90 weapons: reloading is the support system that allows me to enjoy a shooting life and that is pure fact.

Want a myth ? You can save money getting married !
Want a fact about that: Bachelors should practice "Catch & Release" with women.

[7of7]

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I own over 90 weapons: reloading is the support system that allows me to enjoy a shooting life and that is pure fact.
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90,... Isn't that a bit excessive for one person to own?
If you need some assistance excercising all of them, just give a call...

[1hole]

Myth: Neck sizing cases will get better accuracy and they will last longer too.

noylj: "This is usually true, in my experience. However, with an off-the-shelf rifle, you'll never see the difference."

In my 46 years of reloading experience neither part of this myth is 'usually' true. The accuracy part is (very) occasionally true but I'd have to ask what percentage of us you suspect use anything other than "off the shelf" sporting rifles?

Cases usually fail due to neck splits and the necks don't care if they were sized in a Neck or FL die. Well, Lee's Collet and other brands of bushing neck dies change that, a little bit, but what percentage of us would you guess actually use either of those specialty dies?
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Myth: "Seating rifle bullets at or into the lands is more accurate."

noylj: "Again, many time this is true. Somewhere between on the rifling and 0.02" off the rifling."

Many is not most, sometimes it's true but rarely. So, the stand-alone statement is a myth.

Most "off the shelf" rifles using common game bullets will shoot their best anywhere from 20 thou off the lands to as much as five or six times that much; none of that is "at or into the lands." Efforts to load our sloppy chambered factory sporters with conventional bullets as if they are BR rigs is amusing, at least to me.

[22Short]

Hmmm... my Glock 22 (40 S&W) does not bulge it's brass at all. But it's a 4th generation gun. I believe the early guns did.

[1Shirt]

I do have to say that I have found that neck sizing (using lee collet dies) improves accuracy as long as:
1.Cases are trimmed as necessary.
2. Necks are annealed (about every 4-5th loading for me).
3. Loads are exact with pdr and blt wt.
4. Same lots of brass (headstamp) are used.
5. Blts are seated to length close to the max of the bbl capacity.
This seems to be particularly true with the smaller cals like .224 and .245 up thru i7MM for grouping. Differences from my experiance can make as much as 1/4 to
1/2 inch in groups. Have found this to be true of both production rifles as well as heavy varmint rifles. Just my opinion however.
1Shirt!

[newcastter]

"Glock Brass" is real. The notoriously loose 40 glock chamber sometimes will cause a bulge in the case wall. Usually careful resizing will "Iron" it back into place. I may be overly cautious, but I do not reload glock brass to maximum pressures. Just being a bit careful in case the brass could be weakened slightly by a relatively large displacement in the case walls. I've shot 40 calibre glock cases at slightly lower pressures for many years without a problem.

How do you carefully resize "you raise the ram and lower it"

[toolz568]

I have had to run the brass through a Lee bulge buster die. Most of the time it works; sometimes it gets put in a pile to become 45 bullets.

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I used to reload to shot, now I shoot so I can reload.

[John Boy]

Gents, I'm a BPCR shooter and sight in at 200yds for range shooting out to 1000yds.
BPCR Facts:
* Neck sizing cases will get better accuracy ... 0.001 to 0.002"
* Bullet dependent ... Seating rifle bullets at or into the lands is more accurate.

Myth: Smoking ones pipe while reloading is unsafe and not relaxing!

[newcastter]

* Bullet dependent ... Seating rifle bullets at or into the lands is more accurate.

What is BPCR?
How does one find out how deep or not deep to seat the bullet to be at or into the lands?

[wiljen]

What is BPCR?

Black Powder Cartridge Rifle competition

How does one find out how deep or not deep to seat the bullet to be at or into the lands?

find a lead bullet that has a long full diameter length. For example something like the 314299 makes a good choice in 30-06 etc. Load a bullet in a case with no primer or powder as long as possible and do not crimp it.

Close the bolt on the round to push the bullet back into the case. You should see marks on the nose of the bullet where the lands touch and by measuring the distance from the case mouth to those marks you know the length of the throat.

Different bullets will still need to be loaded to different overall lengths as different bullets have differing ogives.

[Recluse]

Four very common myths:

Neck sizing cases will get better accuracy and they will last longer too.

I've found I get more consistent accuracy with neck-sized cases. As far as lasting longer, I can tell that with rimmed cases, such as .303, they absolutely last longer. But I'm also a fanatic about annealing my cases, too. And no rifle round that I want to be accurate gets loaded without first being fully prepped (cleaned, trimmed, chamfered, etc).

Seating rifle bullets at or into the lands is more accurate.

That's pretty open ended and it depends on the individual weapon/cartridge composition (components used to assemble the cartridge)/conditions at the time the weapon is fired.

I personally have found it to help consistent accuracy in virtually every instance for me, but then again, see above and you'll see that I'm very consistent with my preparation work, so bullet seating depth is part of the overall process and equation for me.

Simply seating to the lands by itself? *Shrug* Dunno. But I do believe that along with everything else you do as a serious handloader to assemble a case, it is part of the overall difference in improved accuracy.

[Sonnypie]

It will save you money ( after you've spent $4,000 dollars on molds, sizing dies , top punches, lube sizers, etc. )

It certainly does save you money!
It's that first boolit that costs $4,000.00
After that, the rest are free!

(Is casting boolits tax deductible?)

[Chicken Thief]

Static will make powder (black and smokeless) go bang!

[Reload3006]

LOL Its true its true send it to me for safe disposal

[Dennis Eugene]

Originally by goodsteel

At this point the only thing that I know for sure that I had right when I came here was that guns go bang. Boy I'm glad I found this site!

Sorry buddy, but it is the primers and powder that go bang the gun just lays there.

[cigarman454]

I have heard that you should not reload brass fired out of a glock because of a unsupported chamber, So does this mean I should not pick up brass at the range?

You do need to pick it up at the range and ship it to me. I'll dispose of it properly.

[UNIQUEDOT]

It's that first boolit that costs $4,000.00
After that, the rest are free!

Perhaps that first boolit should be placed behind glass and put on display.